...'My concern is that we may never be able to categorically say that we know this person's identity...' Dr. Xanthe Mallet...
CARL WEBB
& PRE-BUST PHOTO COMPARISON
...Above is the most recent available photograph of Carl Webb compared to the photograph of the man of whom Paul Lawson prepared the plaster bust. The bust is from where it is said that the sample hairs for DNA analysis were harvested.
You will notice that the ears of Carl and the pre-bust photograph do not match.
The Carl Webb image on the left does show a fine set of pearly white teeth, his age at that time was 25.
Speaking of teeth:
THE SOMERTON MAN DENTAL CHART
This Dental Chart was taken by Dr Dwyer at the time of the autopsy that he performed on the body of the man found on Somerton Beach on December 2nd. 1948, the day after the discovery of the man's body.
In the Australian Story programme that went to air on 21st November, no mention was made of the dental chart despite its importance I found that disappointing.
However, one well-qualified person, Dr. Xanthe Mallet, made a point of saying that the DNA results as they stand are not conclusive you'll be able to see and hear what she has to say at the 18 minutes 52 seconds mark. The documentary is online here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-21/my-name-is-charles-somerton-man-mystery/101680520
Her precise words were: 'My concern is that we may never be able to categorically say that we know this person's identity...'
It is a vital part of the only evidence that will tie the man Carl Webb, to the body found on the beach. The other part needed to complete and confirm the identity of the man lies in a morgue in Adelaide, among the exhumed remains of the body, there will be a skull and in that skull will be the remains of the jaw and teeth. It is the jaw and teeth from which a matching dental chart should be taken and compared to that drawn by Dr. Dwyer. If it does then the identification can be confirmed, and if it doesn't then that would be a very different scenario.
Followers of this blog will know my position on this, and that is whilst the pre-bust photographs and even the hair samples may match the person recently identified, the post-autopsy photographs are markedly different.
To finish this post, here's the comparison image between Carl Webb and the body found on the beach:
On one thing we seem to agree PB, this isn't over by a long chalk.
And here is Peter Davidson's incredible find of a photograph of Charles Richard Webb:
And here's a profile pic:
WELL DONE PETER DAVIDSON...
They could get DNA from the remains, the teeth would be the place to find it.
ReplyDeleteThat's correct. They could obtain DNA from the teeth and perhaps other remains. Consider this though, Paul Lawson made it very clear that the skull of the man whom he used to build the plaster face on, had been boiled clean, pristine was a word he used. To clean a skull, and you can research this on the web, you first remove it from the body.
ReplyDeleteAnd if the skull that was removed was replaced with another, as Paul was instructed to do, what an awkward situation could arise. You might have a DNA sample that matched Carl Webb
but a dental chart that didn't.
The images of Carl show a man who looked after himself right down to those pearly white teeth. I really do wonder how he came to lose so many teeth, contrary to the narrative, it was not a common condition. There are some potential causes that we are looking at here right now.
Beginning to remind me of the Brandon Mayfield case to a degree, as to maybe the Professor is maybe seeing a match to what he's already determined to be infallible evidence, which isn't as infallible as he might think it is.
ReplyDeleteHi Gordon, another observation/query. The SM photo taken a couple of days after he died, has no eyes, which I think were removed during the autopsy. Does the photo of the dead Carl Webb show an eye under one of the eye lids? Hard to tell, but potentially another point of difference…
ReplyDeleteBit of a worry those teeth, heavy smoking doesn't sit well with white teeth
ReplyDeleteIt might pay to do a double take up which side of the family the album came from.
ReplyDeleteThe photo might well of been mistakenly attributed, when in fact it could've been Russel and Amy Webb's family with the two sons being Charles and Norman instead.
Here's Charles... do you think the ages would match?
https://www.geni.com/people/Charles-Webb/6000000189134009840
I see that there's no date of death for this Charles Webb either. There's a fair age difference but I don't know when the Webb family photo was taken, goodness, what a web so to speak.
ReplyDeleteFound an alleged date of death for Charles Richard Webb. Unable to crack open his army record on NAA.GOV.AU as yet to take a gander at his photo due to the NAA site playing funny buggers but someone commented upon another site that his enlistment record has his hair colour as blonde. I'm yet to confirm
ReplyDeleteI was finally able to update his nephew's profile with a photo from NAA.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.geni.com/people/Charles-Webb/6000000189134009840
That's an amazing find Peter, what a resemblance, his age is an issue but let's look for the reason...
ReplyDeleteIs it possible that the man had aged beyond his years because of the experiments?
ReplyDeleteSo I think that the picture procured by the ABC as a family photo has Charles, Carl's nephew in it, not Carl. Imo
ReplyDeleteAN IMPORTANT LINK:
ReplyDeleteFrom the Geni page link provided by Peter, you can link through to an NAA file which gives a sort but very informative account
of Charles's service record. There was one location of great interest amongst that record. Camp Pell.
For those unaware of it's significance, Camp Pell housed AWAS, US 52nd Signals Corps, and 8th Employement Company ex internees.
In a 2016 post you will find additional information.
CAMP PELL Link:
ReplyDeletehttps://tamamshud.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-somerton-man-camp-pell-interview.html?m=1