CARL WEBB?
Peter Davidson's Choice
7th man from the right in the picture below:
There was a second man picked out by a commenter:
This man is arrowed on the left of the photo above...
Sunday 18 September 2022
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When I saw this group photo, my first type was man you pointed - with tie in stripes. I was thinking how can I compare faces, and i found site that, there is possibility. I run all images through the face comparator https://mxface.ai/, and I had nothing- no match between SM and those two Man i selected from photo. Of course, the lack of a comparison does not prejudge anything, resolution of the photo is quite low, and SM photo was taken in differend angle, ten full face photo, like ID photo for example. My second type was third man from left next to man on jacket and dark tie. But I'm stubborn and I've been trying with other photos - plaster bust, after autopsy, before burial, junior footy photo from 1921 and Man on tie with striper. There are results:
ReplyDelete+after autopsy and junior footy photo - we have match,
-after autopsy and pre burial there is no match,
-pre burial and junior footy photo - no match, +plaster bust and after autopsy - there is match,
+pre burial and plaster bust -there is match
-plaster bust and junior footy photo - there is no match.
- Man on tie whit stripes and after autopsy-no match
- Man on tie whit stripes and pre burial - na match
- Man on tie whit stripes and junior footy photo na match
I'm not a specialist, but mayby AI can be useful in face comparing. However there is only one full face photo to compare with. SM photo is good, but the angle and light on this photo can be misleading during face comparing. I even enhanced all photos in pixelup app, available there: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IIQur-YDb6uatxs42-jy3e4dEYnrLwEg
It's curious about similarity between plaster bust and after autopsy or pre burial photo. There is match between bust and those two photos, but there is no match between after autopsy and pre burial photo.
It shows great works of Paul Lawson.
That is great work Justyna, it takes a lot of effort and commitment to pursue your intuition ion the way that I think you have. It's very useful information and whilst I agree that we are dealing with low res imagery in the mian, you don't know where this might lead us to. Something to consider re the low resolution issue is to follow the lead of the photographers from the 1940s, they would use a fairly light coloured pencil to 'touch' the faint outlines of facial features, just enough to improve the definition. You could then photograph or scan the result, photograph with a raw file setting would be best. Did you try to match the photograph created Professor Abbott some time ago? Thanks again for your comment, please let me know how you go with the pencil lines.
ReplyDeleteI agree that photographers retouched photos, sometimes too much. I have seen that kind of touching pictures during my genealogy research and sometimes it was frustrating, because retouching was too visible. But I understand sometines retouching od needed.
ReplyDeleteI tried to compare the face made by Voshart and others face recosntructions I found. There is only match with SM and Voshart face on the same position that is SM on original photo. There is no match SM with full face by Voshart, or full face on pastel image. I added screenshots into google drive so you can check. I think Voshart recosntruction is good, but mayby to pretty, but all applications and filters idealize faces. There is one more thing with Voshart recosntruction. It shows living person, not dead. I don't have big experience with the deceased, but facial structure after dead depends from mamy factors - age, diseases, circumstances of death, reasons od death, muscle structure, weight, etc. In SM case is one more thing, we don't know how he looked befor autopsy and we don't have full face photo, like ID photo.
But to the point. I compared Carl Webb face from sister wedding (?) photo with footy junior photo and there is a match, but there is no match with SM photo.
Thanks for the comment, nice work. If it's OK I'll put a post up with all your comparison images. Let me know if that's OK. Thanks
ReplyDeleteYes, it's ok. Please feel free to use comparison images.
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