A BODY ON THE BEACH
In the previous post on this subject, our focus was a humble pasty, remnants of which were found in the man's stomach. We found that:
- The man's time of death was between Midnight and 2 am on Wednesday 1st December 1948. This has been revised, the Doctor who examined the man at 9.40 am on December 1st stated that he had been dead for no more than 8 hours. That puts his death at around 2 am.
- We also found that according to the coroner's report, the man had eaten the pasty between 3 and 4 hours before his time of death
- We, therefore, were able to deduce that the man ate the food at some time between 10pm and 11 pm on Tuesday 30th November 1948
Traditional Cornish Pasty was made from meat, carrot, and potato |
The natural question was, just how did he get that pasty?
- Did he walk to the local shops and buy one at sometime after he was seen, that is shortly after 8 pm on Tuesday night or even up to 11 pm?
- His being found on the beach in a very similar position to the way a man was seen lying that Tuesday evening would have to mean he walked to the shops and he walked back. My view would be that this would be unlikely.
- Did someone perhaps stop and give him a lift on his way back? If he walked along the road then whilst it's a possibility, once again in my view, it would be unlikely.
- Was he the man that was reportedly seen being carried on someone's back along the beach at around 10 pm that Tuesday night? Possible, but why would he want to go back to the same location? Bear in mind that the man was big and no doubt quite weighty, whoever carried him on his shoulders would have to have been very fit and big enough for the job. He was walking on sand which wouldn't have been much help to the task.
- Was he a different man altogether to the man seen on the beach on that Tuesday evening by Mr. Lyons and the young couple? That being the case, it's more than interesting that he was found in the same position as the man first sighted.
Another question relates to the issue of the cigarette found between his lapel and cheek. Given that it was part smoked by the man shortly before his death, which probably means in reality, shortly before he fell unconscious followed by his death. Where was the match with which he lit that cigarette?
Constable Moss was quite clear about the presence of the cigarette and the fact that it was more than half-smoked but not fully smoked. I looked at that issue and found that a cigarette left without puffing would self extinguish in about 1 minute. A full cigarette takes about 5 minutes to smoke. That suggests that he smoked the cigarette for around 2 minutes before he fell unconscious. Was that enough time for a poison to be delivered by the cigarette and would it pack enough punch to cause catastrophic damage to man's internal organs? I don't know the answer to that but it is, I think, a valid question.
Constable Moss also acknowledged in his statement to the coroner, that he did not compare the
Constable Moss also acknowledged in his statement to the coroner, that he did not compare the
part smoked-cigarette with those found the Army Club packet that was in the man's possession. In my view, that was a critical error.
It's very important to note that when, as a Police officer, you are called to a sudden death incident and there being no obvious medical reason for that death, then you treat the incident as a potential murder and you carefully check and note everything. To his credit, Constable Moss acknowledged that he didn't follow procedures when it came to comparing the part smoked cigarette.
Something else he didn't do given that this was a potential murder, he didn't look for the match that was used to light the cigarette.
Something else he didn't do given that this was a potential murder, he didn't look for the match that was used to light the cigarette.
Moreover, he did not discuss the methodical search of the area around where the man was found, no waste bin was spoken of for example. Was there a waste bin nearby, perhaps near the seat from where the couple saw him? What could be in that bin? a syringe? Or maybe a paper bag that once contained a pasty? It does not appear that a thorough and detailed search was carried out and the questions raised by the coroner did not include a reference to the detail.
Something else wasn't checked, it was a hindsight issue in some ways. The man had nicotine-stained fingers to the extent that detective Sergeant Leane commented on them saying, 'the man was an inveterate smoker judging by the stains on his fingers'.
So here we have an inveterate smoker sitting by the beach for a good 5 hours and he only got to part- smoke 1 cigarette and that was possibly around midnight? Your bones should tell you that such a man would have smoked at least 2 and maybe 3 cigarettes in that time but no mention of other cigarette stubs or spent matches.
One last question, if the man had not long eaten a pasty, wouldn't there have been traces of the pastry/filling in his mouth? No mention of it that I can find in the documents. Does that mean he had time to brush his teeth? And just where would he have done that?
On the subject of matches, Pete Bowes raised the issue of what he saw as a conflict in the evidence in that Constable Moss did not mention finding a box of matches but Detective Sergeant Leane did. The coroner believed the matches were there as well. Was this another detail that Constable Moss had missed? Or were they not there in the first instance? Both are quite possible given what we have now deduced.
Pete Bowes also mentioned the different patterns of the trousers that the man was wearing given it was the same man on Monday evening and found on Tuesday morning. What we are saying here though is that it very likely was not the same man and therefore a different pair of trousers was more than likely, so if anything that observation supports the view held here and vice versa. It was a different man found on Tuesday morning.
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His shoes were clean, devoid of cuff marks, so, that would suggest he didn't do any walking. Then we have the lividity and the pasty and, the partly smoked cigarette. So, it's possible that he was inside a property, ate a pasty, started to smoke a cigarette, collapsed and died. He was carefully carried/driven to the beach, (not long before he was found by the horse trainers),placed in the same spot as the previous SM, his cigarette carefully placed against his mouth. Wasn't the previous SM seen been carried on the beach heading North towards Glenelg at 10.00pm-away from Somerton Beach? Clive
ReplyDeleteHey Gordon, I'll admit I don't often agree with you - but the pasty is a big problem. Where did he get it from at that hour of the night (because although I don't know much about poisons, I'm not sure they would have slowed digestion enough for him to have eaten it (well) before 7 on the 30th, and still have it in his gut when he died 'around 2AM'). Of course, there is some question how accurate time of death is (but I'm not sure we the inaccuracy would be more than a couple of hours - so the pasty is still problematic).
ReplyDeleteSo that means one of:
1) He ate the pasty where he died sometime after people saw "him" (incredibly unlikely)
2) He wandered off later that night and found some place that could sell him a pasty (or a house that can give him one - semantics) - (equally unlikely - especially given his clean shoes)
3) the body in the morning wasn't the person in the evening.
Couple that with Pete's pants (sorry Pete), the inability of witnesses (ie Lyons, Strapps, Neill) to conclusively agree SM was the person they'd seen the night before.
so 100% agree with you that it seems unlikely the person on the 30th Nov was SM.
While I accept your background is the police force, I think you have to remember things might have been a touch different in the 40's (and perhaps we Aussies are less pedantic than you English is such things anyway). I take your point on the dead body being 'potentially murder', but I would understand given the situation that the police of the time basically assumed suicide and that the identity would work itself out in due course. So the lack of evidence collected at the time IMO is simply because it wasn't a particular exceptional death in their opinion (if you trawl through trove there were several suicides (or apparent suicides) along Adelaide beaches (and elsewhere) in the weeks leading up to SM).
I do recall Leane mentioning a syringe in Littlemore's show, but given he wasn't on the case until later I'll happily dismiss that....And that goes to any comment he makes about matches too, I'm pretty sure he wasn't there on 1 Dec, and that he wasn't even on the case until significantly later (there's articles that talk about him (and Brown, and others) becoming the lead investigators the following year. So any comment he has (especially if it comes after 1949) about what was or wasn't at the crime scene is questionable...
Apparenlty there's a char limit.....to be continued....
The lack of spent matches is a problem IMO. I also think (and it might depend on the direction the cigarette is facing - up vs down, into the wind vs away from th wind vs crosswind) might affect whether it burns out or continues to burn. I'm sort fo inclined to think that with the lack of spent matches and (as far as we know) the absence of a dropping of ash from the cigarette, that the cigarette was planted, not smoked (but I'll happily admit that's tenuous and more 'gut feel' than anything else). I'll throw into that mix that when I was at school we used to save half smoked cigarettes (e.g. you're almost at school so you extinguish the cigarette and save it for later) - so perhaps he'd previously smoked half and intended to resume smoking it, but having put it in his mouth (and possibly fumbled for matches) never relit it...
ReplyDeleteI'd never thought about the possibility of food traces in his mouth - they obviously looked at his chompers, so you'd think that definitely might have been something to look for (Although admittedly I also wouldn't know how long food remnants might hang around in the mouth or between the teeth).
I have a problem with the testimony about the man being carried at 10PM, though - because that came 10 years later - and frankly, I find that massively problematic, not least beacues it would be hard to be certain it was "that night".
I think John S was also a proponent of the "person on the 30th couldn't be the body on the 1st" - and I tend to agree (he also made the point that what does a pasty in the gut look like when it's partly digested? Is it possible it could be something like (I think his example) minestrone soup?. It's not entirely important (the point is there was food in his belly), but I guess a pasty would almost certzinly be bought, but a minestrone might be consumed in someone's home?).
I *think* (could be wrong) the nearest bin would have been somewhere on the Esplanade. I don't think there was one anywhere near the lovers' seat.
I think these are all very important angles to investigate and get comfortable around...
Was the man on the beach in the PM the same as the body in the AM (and had he been there all night)?
WHat did he eat, where, and when?
Is there any reason why someone who (although admittedly they might not realise it) is dying, would wander away and choose to return to the same spot (was there a reason to be there - did he hold out hope he might meet someone (insert ideas about the Rubaiyat as a form of identification)?
How likely is it that someone was in that spot the night before (was it a spot people regularly sat)?
How reliable are our witnesses?
How was his attire (especially shoes) so well presented? even if he'd wandered off for a pasty, surely there'd be sand in the seams of his shoes (if not within them themselves)?
I'm liking your direction here....
All good, old Irish saying, if people meet and they all agree on the outcome there wasn't really much point in the meeting. I think it's good to have different views and opinions, it tends to draw the best out of the participants. Lots of unanswered questions surrounding the night of the 30th/1st.
DeleteI have issues with the body being carried down the beach. SM was big bloke and to carry him on your shoulders at night long the sand would I think be too big a problem.
The background can be a help and a hindrance, the standards in the UK were particularly high at the time, SOPs and Ms and Ps were hugely important. If the same circumstances that occurred for SM were to have happened in the UK then SOCO would have been there and photos taken at the scene. But that was in the 60s not the 40's as you rightly point out. Still, these 60's rules came from somewhere, obviously from experience and things going wrong. I would have to say that from what I learnt from others n the job, there had long been a tight focus on Sudden Deaths. It was a potential murder until proven otherwise.
The experience in Australia would have been different, however, the previous commissioner had a tough reputation and was a committed anti communist, he would have had to have links to various organisations that we have discussed previously.
Thanks for your input, good discussion.
You can't buy a pastie late at night back then.
ReplyDelete1. Shops closed between 6pm and 7pm
2. Pies and pasties were only put in pie war m ers for the lunch trade. Pie warmers were usually turned off by 2pm.
If a corner shop did a dinner trade, it would've been hamburgers or fish n chips.
Leaves the only other likely scenario. Someone cooked it for him at a private residence
Thanks, very useful information. Were there any Clubs around in those days that remained open? I know there were a few pie carts and have wondered whether there were any hot potato carts?
DeleteFish and Chips, a good staple food. We used to buy them in Glenelg in the late 70s. We also bought potato cakes with our fish and chips, now there's a thought. What do you think Davo?
Deletepetedavo - what about a pie cart. Adelaide seems to have a pretty big tradition of bakeries (Balfours, Gibbs, Cowley's - and down Yorke {eninsula way Prices - got a funny idea there's a couple obvious ones I've missed (no, not Vili's, that was MUCH later)). I know the city centre has a long history of pie carts (probably dating back to almost the earliest days of Adelaide), but not sure whether busy summer suburbs would have attracted something similar?
DeleteCan't find any trace of such a thing online, but given the apparent popularity of them in the city, is it plausible a local Western Suburbs bakery might have had a cart out on a nice evening when there were people around?
Pastry products leave crumbs of flakey pastry embedded in clothes that aren't completely removed until washing. Its due to pastry dough being made from oil and wheat. The oil makes the crums stick to surfaces like glue. There are no crumbs of flakey pastry noted in the evidence or at the scene. And notably in any pocket of his clothing.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind mention, GC, I have always held that it was most unlikely PC Moss would miss a box of matches in his search of the body, particularly when he found cigarettes ... one goes with the other - and despite the time difference between his search and his deposition, he didn’t waver. The fact that his superior, Detective Sergeant Leane had a differing point of view must have been disconcerting to the Constable - and, of course, Cleland ruled in favour of the ranking officer’s deposition. No surprise there.
ReplyDeleteSo, he had clean shoes, which suggests he did little, if any walking, he was clean shaven and, had eaten a pasty. Plus, the lividity query. (After 8.00pm Tuesday 30 November, nobody came forward to confirm he was still at that spot). It would suggest that he was indoors, locally? Possible scenario, he was 'hosted' locally, ate a pasty, had a shave then collapsed, laid on a bed and a few hours later was dead. Was carried/driven(?) to the same location, not long before the horse trainers turned up on the beach. The man carrying a body, at 10.00pm the previous beach was walking North, away from the location? Clive
ReplyDeleteMaybe he just had chips?
ReplyDeletePete Bowes, on the subject of matches. So that’s two of your issues covered, they had been addressed here almost 5 years ago and you were amongst those who commented. Just maybe you should take a short break, and I mean that politely.
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