A fair bit of time spent on codes lately! What we have thus far is an acrostic code found in Tibor Kaldor's last letter, this has been examined further and we have been able to add more information on the implementation of this particular code. What we found was that apart from the standard acrostic code which relies on first letters of specific words, In this case DANETTA, there was also a numerical sequence which were shown to relate to the position of the carrier words of the code within the message.
We found what may well be another piece of code in an ad placed by Prosper related to a Tudor Gold watch which had been lost somewhere in Adelaide City or suburbs on an undetermined date. The code in this ad also had a numerical sequence attached to the placement of letters within words.
We found what may well be another piece of code in an ad placed by Prosper related to a Tudor Gold watch which had been lost somewhere in Adelaide City or suburbs on an undetermined date. The code in this ad also had a numerical sequence attached to the placement of letters within words.
More recently, Milongal from Cipher Mysteries set out on a task to prove if possible that what we were seeing was 'confirmation bias', he looked at the Verse 70 piece and found that the word DANETTA could be derived from it, this was a letters only exercise but it showed that the name was decidedly present but was it a pure coincidence? I went through and checked it and found that once again there was a sequential numerical sequence such that the carrier words were accurately positioned within the verse.
A word or two on confirmation bias, here's a definition:
A word or two on confirmation bias, here's a definition:
Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's pre-existing beliefs or hypotheses.
In this case, there were no pre-existing beliefs that I held, the original acrostic code was uncovered by an acrostic decoder not by me. Thus anything that followed was by way of additional research on what had already been found and I shared that via this blog. What was found was the fact that in the case of Verse 70, not only was the name DANETTA uncovered by Milongal but we also found that the words that carried the individual letters of DANETTA had a definite logical, numerical sequence. To further support that, the Verse 70 acrostic was not found by me but by Milongal and a great piece of work it has turned out to be. It stands to be tested and that's as it should be.
We can say the same about microcode and micro-writing, these things exist and have been substantiated both in terms of their existence and in terms of their use by various intelligence agencies over the years. What I have done is highlight that and to demonstrate the techniques used. That is decidedly not confirmation bias. If we were to accept that 'rule' then there would be no experimentation and no progress made in any field of endeavour ever. It strikes me that 'confirmation bias' is word wrongly applied on many occasions much as 'Occam's razor' has been wrongly applied for years.
Let me repeat that micro writing is on the code page and in verse 70, it has been proven beyond any doubt and I stand by that. I have shown images of micro writing on the code page and in Verse 70 and I have demonstrated exactly how micro writing and micro code is executed. No if's no buts and no question.
I respect the rights of others to hold their views and I have no problem if their views conflict with mine, it's their right. I passionately believe in people not being demeaned, belittled or denigrated when they put forward their ideas which may challenge ours. On the contrary, they are to be encouraged and respected. Their ideas should be examined, questioned and tested fairly and openly not just put down because it goes against the status quo.
Here endeth the lesson :)
Let me repeat that micro writing is on the code page and in verse 70, it has been proven beyond any doubt and I stand by that. I have shown images of micro writing on the code page and in Verse 70 and I have demonstrated exactly how micro writing and micro code is executed. No if's no buts and no question.
I respect the rights of others to hold their views and I have no problem if their views conflict with mine, it's their right. I passionately believe in people not being demeaned, belittled or denigrated when they put forward their ideas which may challenge ours. On the contrary, they are to be encouraged and respected. Their ideas should be examined, questioned and tested fairly and openly not just put down because it goes against the status quo.
Here endeth the lesson :)
MILONGAL:
ReplyDeleteMany thanks for your comments. I wish you well in your research. I trust that you make good progress.
MILONGAL The DANETTA name was all about that book and that verse and at that time. Because the same name could be revealed in other texts does not mean that it is a valid code sequence otherwise, and for example, the phrase '...wounds my heart with a monotonous langour' could mean ' .... attack delayed until July 6th.' There is no intention to be rude here, just a matter of making people aware of the dynamic nature of clandestine communications.
ReplyDeleteNothing in the world of tradecraft is ever as it seems nor as simple and straightforward as we might like it to be.
MILONGAL, if I might add to the previous note, in both Tibor's letter and in the Verse 70 example, I was able to append a numerical sequence to each word. This numerical sequence effectively fixed the exact position of each carrier word within the piece. This is a virtual 'Cardan grille'.
ReplyDeleteIn your latest comment, I didn't see any reference to word positioning just to the position of letters within words. If you have the pieces that you quote in their original format we could quickly work out if there is indeed a numerical sequence that fixes the position of each carrier word.
If there is no positioning fix, then what you have found is not the same as the first two instances.
I agree that it's an interesting exercise!
MILONGAL, Apologies for the delay in responding to your latest efforts. Internet woes can affect us all.
ReplyDeleteSad to say that both the examples you quoted, Psalm 23 and The Geebung Polo Club, failed to pass muster. If you recall the consecutive number techniques identified were for Tibor's letter code and for Verse 70 which you found yourself.
In the case of Tibor's letter it contained a standard Acrostic code that I found using an acrostic decoder contained the name DANETTA it being spelled out with the first letter of seven words. Here's the critical aspect, the acrostic in Tibor's letter had a strict numerical sequence, consecutive numbers which identified the location of the carrier words by positioning them relative to the line, sentence or paragraph beginnings and endings. Those numbers were 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 and these numbers acted as a confirmation step that the message/word was valid. The xtrcat from Tibor's letter contained 47 words.
In the case of Verse 70, which you found whilst attempting to disprove the technique, it also contained the name DANETTA and your immediate thoughts were that you had found your proof, it quickly became clear that you were incorrect in your findings because I was able to quickly find that same numerical sequence key, in this case, the consecutive numbers were 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7. These numbers positioned the carrier words for the name DANETTA.
Your comments regarding Psalm 23 and The Geebung Polo Club make me smile a little, what you had done with both examples was once again attempt to disprove the technique. Naturally I followed up and found the following:
1. Psalm 23. The name DANETTA was spelled out in 7 letters which it contains and as you would expect; but when it came to the background confirmation numbers that positioned the words within the lines quoted, they read as follows: 2 or 8 if reversed, 1 or 10 if reversed, 7 or 3 if reversed, 9 or 8 if reversed, 8 or 9 if reversed, 11 or 6 if reversed, 1 or 3 if reversed and 16 or 1 if reversed. So, no sign of a consecutive seven number set. On that basis, your attempt was invalidated. The total number of words in your selection was 25
2. The Geebung Polo Club. Once again the name DANETTA was found and you numbered them 1 to 7 for whatever reason. Once again there was no background set of 7 consecutive numbers. The actual positioning numbers for the carrier words that you specified were as follows:
9 or 5 reversed, 1 or 10 reversed, 8 or 3 reversed, 3 or 11 reversed, 6 or 8 reversed, 2 or 9 reversed and 6 or 5 reversed. On that basis once again we record a fail against your second attempt.
If you had looked harder you would have got closer but sadly no 7 number set exists for either of your examples.
What you did achieve and for which I thank you, is to prove the opposite of what you set out to do. Tibor's letter and Verse 70 both contain properly validated code by reason of the 7 consecutive number sets found in each whilst your attempts to find other examples were unsuccessful.
Does that mean that you will never find an example that meets the criteria? No, it is, of course, a possibility but not a strong one. With great respect, you should also bear in mind that both proven examples were done by design and for a specific audience, that audience was one that had an understanding of concealed codes and the ability/persistence needed to find them.
On a personal note, I appreciate the effort that you put in and would respectfully suggest that if you were to be more positive rather than negative, you could achieve a great deal and your contribution to the case would improve greatly. Have a great day.
MILONGAL. I am glad that you clearly agree that micro writing exists and from other posts you will see that it was in use at the time or shortly before it at least.
ReplyDeleteThe challenge seems to be that you don't believe there is any micro writing on the code page or at least are not convinced. As you would understand, I am not here to convince you or anyone else, that is your personal business.
What I will say is that by virtue of Len Brown's evidence as per his discussions with Professor Abbott, he clearly places 'very tiny lettering' (Jestyn's phone number) at the base of the code page or 'beneath the code' as he put it. That then confirms the existence of micro writing on the code page, it is one example and there are many other instances of such writing in the clear space surrounding the code 'letters'. I think you'll find that some time ago, Byron Deveson mentioned seeing tiny numbers on the page.
Not being funny here but I think I am right in saying that you have never actually tested the methods I have suggested to examine the code page? That being so, I will shortly post a set of easy to follow instructions on how and where to find instances of micro writing on the page. Of course it's entirely up to you but it would perhaps help clarify the issue for you.
I use the standard code page found on the wiki, it came from the Adelaide Advertiser I understand, I also have a copy supplied by Gerry Feltus but I think they are one and the same.
Over to you.