Sunday 16 February 2020

Lapstone Part 3: IMPORTANT UPDATE 2: Photographs, The Delegates and a Download..


THE OFFICIAL LIST OF RUSSIAN DELEGATES 

TO LAPSTONE

Not as straightforward as it would appear...
Foreword
This series of recent posts has broken new ground. By trawling through the helpful information received courtesy of PeteDavo regarding the operations of MI5 in Australia during 1948, we were able to uncover other documents including the Delegates list for the Lapstone conference.

Within the Somerton Man webspace, the Lapstone conference has been discussed many times. The discussions revolved around the mysterious Sherbakov and a Miss Bogotyreva, a secretary and assistant to Novikov the leader of the Soviet delegation. It was often said that the two had disappeared together and defected to Australia, there was never any evidence to that effect but in this space, there are those who tend to wax romantic at times. In this post, you will read evidence of Sherbakov being on the list of delegates right up until the 25th of November a day or so before the departure of the flight to Darwin. There is no evidence of his landing here but the same can be said of all those on the list. There is no evidence of his attending any sessions of the conference.

We are left with the thought that Sherbakov could well have arrived in Darwin and instead of heading to Lapstone he headed elsewhere. Checking the aircraft flight times into Australia and then schedules for aircraft leaving Darwin for Adelaide, it is possible that Sherbakov could have boarded a plane and arrived in Adelaide early on the evening of 30th November 1948.

We also found that Miss Bogotyreva attended the sessions and left Lapstone along with the rest of the delegation on 13th December 1948.

Finally, as a result of this research, we now find that Nosov, the head of the KGB in Australia, also attended the full conference at Lapstone.




The count says 13 Delegates which includes Sherbakov.

Yet in this document, marked unofficial, from within the file we get a total of 15 in this party plus a driver and two couriers, note that Sherbakov makes the 15th delegate:



We are now at 24th November just 2 days prior to the scheduled departure from the UK and in this list, without names, we see that the Australian Embassy states there are 15 members of the party:



So Far so good? Well, no actually. You see there is yet another list that turns up within this file. This one is handwritten with no date, page 27 of the file, and it contains the names of 21 persons with no sign of Sherbakov:


This last document shows an 'in' and an 'out' date column. Miss Bogotyreva is shown 'in' on 30th November and 'out' on 12th December, no sign of Sherbakov though. Also noteworthy is that 5 are shown as arriving on the 1st December and one on the 11th December who departs on the 13th December, one day after the rest of the party. The question is, is this the list of attendees who flew in that included delegates and staff and others or is it a list of all Russians who arrived at Lapstone and then departed on the dates shown? There is a question mark on the last name in this list, VYSELSKI, he apparently arrived on 11th December and departed on 13th December.

Important Update

Sharpened image of written list: 



Checking and comparing the published versus written lists, the following names were found in the handwritten version which do not appear on the published list with the exception of the two couriers:
  • Pavlov arrived on 30th November and left on 1st December
  • Pachinko arrived on 30th November and left on 2nd December
  • Tazov arrived on 30th November left on 1st December(marked down as a courier)
  • Kustashenko arrived on 30th November left 1st December (marked down as a courier)
  • Miss Karpova shown on the written list as arriving on 30th November and departing 13th December. ( Note that Miss Grisnova from the published list does not appear therefore possibly a substitute)
  • Vyselski arrived on 11th December and departed on 13th December
  • Sherbakov does not appear on the written list although MI5 files suggest that he did arrive.
Important: One name written on this list could be significant. NOSOV, many would know that Feodor Nosov was the head of the KGB in Sydney and lead a team of spies including Zaitsev, Mikheev and the Australian Wally Clayton known to be a communist sympathiser and agent. Very significantly, Nosov had a working relationship with Dalziel from Evatt's office. There's a long story here on Dalziel, suffice to say his association with Nosov started when he was introduced by Evatt to Mikheev in 1942/43, it is widely believed that Dalziel was the original source of the leak of secret documents to the Russians in early 1948.
The link from Nosov to Moran and the Eureka Youth League who were staying less than an hour away from Lapstone, is an obvious thought.

The fact that Miss Bogotyreva now shows as being at the conference and leaving on the same date as the rest of the team strongly suggests that she returned to Russia. This conflicts with commonly held thoughts that she and Sherbakov disappeared together. Not so.


Summation

The differences between the published and written lists are significant, we have names appearing of people who were not down for the flight but could have been passengers. The following remarks are made on the assumption that this was the case.

We seem to start with a party of 15 and end up with a total of 21 on the last list but if we include Sherbakov that would make 22 people in total.

If 22 people flew in via the Silvwright charter aircraft, where did they sit? What I mean is that if there were 22 people + 7 crew that makes 29. The aircraft had only seats for 26 passengers. The answer is that we can deduct 4 of the total, the Pilot, Co-pilot, radio operator and navigator were seated up front in the cockpit. That gives us 25 passengers and just 1 spare seat.

So it is conceivable that 22 people flew in with the Russian delegation comprised of 15 delegates and staff and 7 others. The handwritten list needs to be transcribed, a little scrawly I'm afraid. We would then have a list of 22 names that we can check off against passenger lists to Adelaide on Tuesday morning 30th November 1948.

Obviously, there is more to do, we need to clarify the additional names and carry out research on the full list. In that process, we need to be conscious of the fact that some of these names may be alternative identities. For serious researchers, this is a complex task as you can see, I will be sharing whatever is found.

The next post in this series will happen once we have received the results of passenger lists research. Hopefully that will occur within the next 2 weeks.


PHOTOGRAPHS
The photo below right shows Novikov and Miss Bogatyreva as they arrive at Mascot on 30th November 1948. The man you see just behind the lady is also a member of the delegation for whom we don't have a name but he does bear a resemblance to the Boxer, Sergei Sherbakov, below left. The boxer photo was taken 5 years later. There is insufficient detail in the group photo to say any more than a 'resemblance'.






SCHERBAKOV (SHCHERBAKOV)

These two clips are from Voumes 1 and 2 of the current download files.


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18 comments:

  1. From the file, Page 49 states that Novikov was to join the delegation at Delhi and 3 UK officials will travel with Soviets in the same aircraft, this seems a bit odd? Page 61 mentions that aircraft G-AKSM had a captain and 6 crew, plus 13 passengers, same number of passengers/delegates as listed on Page 3. Did Novikov catch another flight, as Qantas appeared to have another DC-3 operating. Clive

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  2. Good thought, maybe we can get that information from the flight times/passenger list details?

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  3. I think the handwritten list, because it was after the conference, probably has the correct names of Soviets that attended. Good to know that Movikov may have travelled separately, that could mean he also returned separately, worth digging out the passenger list for which aircraft and which people went wher.

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  4. See "Sydney Morning Herald" 20 Dec 1948 Page 3-Novikov left Sydney 19 Dec for Delhi. See "Daily Telegraph" 20 Dec 1948 Page 7-Novikov & 12 delegates? or, 12 delegates inc. Novikov? See "Kalgoorlie Miner" 22 Dec 1948 Page 2. Clive

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  5. Yes, saw the Kalgoorlie Miner article, Rude Russians, they apparently left Darwin on 21st December.

    Re the Novikov flight from Singapore, possibly Novikov joined the G-AKSM aircraft in Singapore? The departure date from the UK is a little uncertain looks to be around 22nd November? Given that they had only one Pilot I would think that they would have flown 11 hours then rested and then another 11 hours etc. Any thoughts?

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  6. I wonder if anyone else joined them in Darwin? We need the return leg passenger list.

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  7. See "Daily Telegraph" 1 Dec 1948 Page 7-Novikov and Miss Bogatyreva + 9 males. Novikov was ambassador in Delhi, so I'm wondering if he caught a separate flight to Singapore and arrived on G-AKSM? Clive

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  8. Yes, I believe that is the case, the bookings for Novikov were, I think made via Qantas who were the booking agent for the charter flight.

    Good article. They say that Novikov and Miss Bogatyreva were accompanied by 9 male assistants. That doesn't gel with the numbers we have from the various documents especially the handwritten one, the article says 11 people and the document says clearly 13 in the delegation. Somehow they lost a couple maybe in Darwin or possibly the additional names were of people from Canberra? We really do need those passenger lists :) Inbound from Darwin, outbound to Adelaide and Sydney then the homeward leg of Sydney to Darwin and any flights from Adelaide that landed in Darwin either before their arrival or on the day. That just leaves the Darwin outbound lists. They are on the way.

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  9. The Passenger list has been something of a challenge in that there has been uncertainty as to just who came on the overseas flight into Darwin. As you rightly point out Clive, there is an article that says there were a total of 11 passengers that arrived in Darwin. Whilst we don't have their names we do the handwritten list that shows various arrival and departure dates which are likely an indicator of the locations from which these attendees came.

    Canberra Embassy:

    Lifanov
    Polyanski (driver)
    Pavlov
    Paschenko
    Tasov (courier)
    Kustyaschenko (courier)
    Karpova
    Nosov
    Vyselski
    Popov

    Sivewright Charter passengers:

    Novikov (joined Singapore)
    Bogatyrova (Ex Moscow)
    Kratikov
    Aleksenko
    Kaborovsky
    Solenkin
    Zinin
    Kinlabov
    Karolev
    Gingoriev
    Sakolovski

    Noticed that Sherbakov appears in the first list at the top of the page (the proposed delegates list as opposed to a passenger list), he does not appear to have been booked in on 30th at Lapstone and wasn't booked out. It is always possible that he may have used another name OR that he was already here in Australia working from Canberra.

    Other items to note:
    NOSOV, alongside his name in the written list, this appears (A/D) unknown meaning at this time
    ZABOROVSKI, Just before his name in the written list, the letter 'A' appears
    VYSELSKI, His and BOGOTYREVA are the only names in the written list to appear in block capitals, VYSELSKI is the only member of the group to arrive on the 11th December which, coincidentally, was the day that NOSOV departed.

    We are left wondering whether Sherbakov used a different name, whether the annotations and block caps have any significance, did anyone from the inbound flight to Darwin fly on to Adelaide and if so did they rejoin the delegates?

    The Soviets certainly had a way of muddying the waters!

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  10. Got another one for you. Flew in from Shanghai: Vasilly Chilikin
    http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au...arch.asp?O=I&Number=551278

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  11. Thanks Pete, The link doesn't work but I got the images from your page.

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  12. It's seemingly very confusing as to how many 'delegates' were on the flight. Sources say 13 departed London and 13 arrived in Darwin. Novikov was based in New Delhi, the question is where did he join the charter flight-in New Delhi or did he catch the charter in Singapore? I haven't seen the flight plan for G-AKSM-I've seen mention that the flight originated in France? We do know that Novikov did return to his duties in New Delhi, after the conference. Another oddity is why 'VYSELSKI' a delegate is in capitals, I'm assuming he was a delegate and his name wasn't some kind of code? Clive

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    1. Novikov was in London and caught the flight with the rest of them. He did not leave from India to join it in Singapore because h e was already on the plane.

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  13. I think the most reliable evidence we have is the handwritten page that shows 21 attendees with a number of them from Canberra, we know that some were couriers, a driver and senior personnel based in Canberra. That gave us 13 attendees from the flight. But Novikov must have joined the flight at Singapore and quite probably, so did Miss Bogatyrova given they both arrived on the same flight as the other named delegates. Eleven on the flight from the UK plus the two from Singapore.

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  14. Did everyone notice that the Somerton Man died on 1st December 1948, the day the Russians appeared at the Lapstone conference and that Tibor Kaldor died on 13th December, the day the Russians left the Lapstone conference?

    When you look at the dates of arrival of the delegates, only one arrived late, VYSELSKI and only one delegate (as opposed to drivers/couriers) left early and that was NOSOV. NOSOV was the KGB Rezident in Canberra at the time, the senior and managing Soviet intelligence agent.

    Two questions, did VYSELSKI just get back from a trip to Adelaide? Did NOSOV head off early to another 'appointment in Adelaide?

    Another question, is PAVLOV from the list, the same PAVLOV who worked for the Soviet Illegal operations group?

    Interestingly, we have a name and a photograph of Pavlov in his intelligence role in Russia but only a his name here Australia, there is no photograph that we have unearthed of him here as yet. Deja Vu Milongal?

    You would have to think that somewhere in the Intelligence files there would be a set of photographs of all employees of the Soviet Embassy in Canberra, but just where to start?

    On the subject of photographs, if you take a look at the ALAMY image site, you'll find a collection.

    https://www.alamy.com/search.html?CreativeOn=1&adv=1&ag=0&all=1&creative=&et=0x000000000000000000000&vp=0&loc=0&qt=ECAFE&qn=&lic=6&lic=1&imgt=0&archive=1&dtfr=&dtto=&hc=&selectdate=&size=0xFF&aqt=&epqt=&oqt=&nqt=&gtype=0

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  15. It's been discussed elsehwere but there's a deep mystery around Scherbakov. Even in the file you mention, there's a lot of confusion over whether he's coming and what his actual name is - and even of all the people who thought he had attended, noone remembered meeting him.

    Even in the lists from the file above, everyone else appears with their initials - but Sherbakov is simply "Mr Sherbakov".

    I think you mentioned in another post that part of the difficulty here is that the romanization from Cyrillic alphabet into a Latin one is inconsistently applied. We often see this still today with translations from Chinese alphabets (e.g Xiang/Zhang/Chang and other variations) or Arabic scripts (There are something like 30 variations of Mohammed - often confused with the also very variant (but distinct) Mahmood). The point is, tracing Scherbakov is difficult because how intelligence agencies around the world; compared to non-intelligence acgencies or journalistic sources translated the name will vary.
    One thing worth considering (although I think it's a more recent trend) is that even names ending with 'ov' may sometimes be anglicized further - I went to school with a Federof(f) - which is a further anglicanization/australianisation of Federov.
    Along these lines, it *might* be possible that searching for aalternative (and bad) spellngs of Fedosimov and others might find new thing. Certainly Ivanovitch is a name that could have quite a lot of variation - not so much on official records, but if you're expecting any mentions in the media.

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    1. Found the errant clip. Shcherbakov, first names Sergei Andreevich, departed Australia 28th November 1949. This spelling is quite common, I think the shortened version is an anglicised 'what you hear is what you write' version. I inlcuded the clip plus one more in the post above.

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  16. Thanks for that, i don't disagree with you on the issue of spelling and of the problem with journalistic sources. There is a diplomatic and consular list that can be referenced, so will browse through that. The 3 Volumes amount to more than 400 pages in all and they certainly shed light on the main characters in the espionage scene at the time. I have a feeling that there may be some initials for Sherbakov, will have to go back through and see what I can turn up.

    It was and still is common practice for the Soviets to use multiple names and perhaps even have a name rotated through across numerous people. I have noticed that there are a few differing descriptions of Nosov for example, not jounalistic sources but from intelligence reports and forms.

    On the subject of intelligence reports, they certainly kicked up a a few notches in detail following the establishment of ASIO. The diary entries for surveillance information is crystal clear in many cases.

    Thanks again, that is really good input and much appreciated.

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