tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post7686892829922792751..comments2024-03-28T18:04:16.185+11:00Comments on ....CARL/CHARLES WEBB WAS NOT THE SOMERTON MAN....: SOMERTON MAN: A RESPONSE TO TOMS BY TWO POST, "ANOTHER SCENARIO" first published May 2018Gordon332http://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-39910538428405475832018-05-18T20:51:56.438+10:002018-05-18T20:51:56.438+10:00In Donald Trump's America he has long railed a...In Donald Trump's America he has long railed about the 'deep state' - a shadow organisation of senior judicial and elected representatives who make decisions that usurp the democratic process ... an accusation that has been long linked to the Masonic society.peterboweshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04383208822885209896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-5348573786842240942018-05-18T19:37:21.406+10:002018-05-18T19:37:21.406+10:00Inclined to agree with you Pete. The assumption I ...Inclined to agree with you Pete. The assumption I would make is that the suitcase and contents were left by the opposition and that the Police during the normal course of operations and I believe at the suggestion of Detective Brown, checked the railway station and low and behold, the case was 'found'.<br /><br />GF in his TV interview made specific mention of the presence of spies in Adelaide/SA at the relevant time, not beyond the realms of possibilities that moles existed even amongst SA's finest. Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-62998145373073462492018-05-18T11:33:57.211+10:002018-05-18T11:33:57.211+10:00There may have been some on the investigation team...There may have been some on the investigation team who would have preferred the security services to keep their hands off the case .... and some compromises may have been made in order to satisfy them, but only after the inquest.peterboweshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04383208822885209896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-71026688009972675772018-05-18T09:25:48.170+10:002018-05-18T09:25:48.170+10:00Clive, I think it really was a mind game with both...Clive, I think it really was a mind game with both sides taking the safest options or at least reducing the odds of disaster with every step. Who knows just what the stakes were? Pure conjecture of course but it could range from a list of agents or information that would reveal them, secret details of fuels, aircraft or weapons and the list would go on. I truly don't think for one second that the men involved were silly in any way, they knew their jobs and they knew how to follow instructions. If they appeared lax then it was intended as per the suitcase discovery and the book.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-67445880515031274202018-05-18T08:45:03.406+10:002018-05-18T08:45:03.406+10:00Fair enough comment and question.
Put yourself i...Fair enough comment and question. <br /><br />Put yourself in the position of the bad guys, you have found your target, searched for the information you wanted knowing that he had it somewhere but you were unable to find it. The next step is either SM took his own life to protect his 'friends' or the bad guys organised his expedient demise.<br /><br />Having discovered the body, the good guys now have an option. They say nothing and act as if it were just another sudden death of an unknown man as I think you are suggesting in which case the bad guys would now have room for doubt. Did the good guys find the information or not? <br /><br />The bad guys best and safest bet in this option is to err on the negative side and assume that the information is now in the good guys hands and then act accordingly.<br /><br />The next option for the good guys is as I have suggested, they make out like they have found the information but have actually missed the hidden codes, they publish the written over code on the code page, apparently missed the detail on the torn piece and followed the trail of the suitcase filled with litter. It's even backed up by a letter from Naval Intelligence and a specialist code breaker. So, there's no 'fake' evidence they used the basic real evidence and made out that they have missed the good stuff.<br /><br />The bad guys now think that it is more than likely that the valued information has been missed and business will carry on as normal which is what the good guys wanted.<br /><br />Nothing else was leaked only the hard physical evidence, nothing that could be construed as inconsistent. In hindsight, what that shows is a discipline and a focus on behalf of the good guys. It worked and everyone was none the wiser for at least 62 years.<br /><br />Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-84060775977906059772018-05-18T07:53:42.399+10:002018-05-18T07:53:42.399+10:00Devil's advocate, if you will....
Why do they ...Devil's advocate, if you will....<br />Why do they need to create elaborate 'clues' to show nothing was found? Surely a continued propoganda of 'do you know this man?' shows nothing was found.<br />Wouldn't creating 'fake' evidence risk giving away that you're making things up because the 'bad guys' might see that something you leak is totally inconsistent with what they know of their agent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-18554844915001454852018-05-17T16:46:03.423+10:002018-05-17T16:46:03.423+10:00I have to say, GC, I'm quicker to read than yo...I have to say, GC, I'm quicker to read than you are.... thanks.peterboweshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04383208822885209896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-53798405781805552652018-05-17T15:39:24.168+10:002018-05-17T15:39:24.168+10:00Good interpretation of the SM scenario. Can't ...Good interpretation of the SM scenario. Can't help thinking that the security services were onto this case from day 1, if not before. And the South Australian police were instructed on a day to day basis of how to deal with the press, individuals, evidence etc etc. And among the people who came to view the body thinking he was a relative, workmate, long lost friend etc, were a couple of other individuals who wanted to make sure that the body was of the man they knew only too well. CliveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com