tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post4767742694817689795..comments2024-03-29T14:07:44.746+11:00Comments on ....CARL/CHARLES WEBB WAS NOT THE SOMERTON MAN....: Somerton Man: The Book Hoax?Gordon332http://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-43577129727004856672017-09-30T08:35:15.098+10:002017-09-30T08:35:15.098+10:00Good looking blog and a great post, well thought t...Good looking blog and a great post, well thought through and researched as one would expect from you Barry. I have a question though, it relates to the verse that was highlighted. When I checked out the previous normal editions for that verse, it did not appear on the same page in the 7th edition. Would that be as a result of miniaturising the book or was there some other reason. I noted that the 3rd and 4th editions had textual variations but what of the others?<br /><br />Unable to post a comment on the blog nor give it a 'like', gremlins at work :)Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-20335003898504870372017-09-30T06:44:53.762+10:002017-09-30T06:44:53.762+10:00Gordon, I've been looking into the 7th Methuen...Gordon, I've been looking into the 7th Methuen edition found on George Marshall, and it's not a false imprint. See my blog on it: https://omarkhayyamrubaiyat.wordpress.com/2017/09/29/why-george-marshalls-rubaiyat-is-not-a-false-imprint/Barry Traishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946797327165202262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-62163549224112486052016-06-19T15:32:02.710+10:002016-06-19T15:32:02.710+10:00Well Dave, had a look at your video. Can you show ...Well Dave, had a look at your video. Can you show us the copyright page and the publishers information page? In the Courage & Friendship version you will find them close to the front of the book as you will in any hard copy published by Whitcombe & Tombs.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-85266556143929307772016-06-17T20:49:43.206+10:002016-06-17T20:49:43.206+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927761374028349378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-36890037196314663472016-06-17T13:15:50.048+10:002016-06-17T13:15:50.048+10:00Well Dave, you are right to do things in your own ...Well Dave, you are right to do things in your own time. For waht its worth, if you are going to get the books looked at I would seriously suggest that you go to:<br />http://www.theprintingmuseum.org.nz/<br />or to your National Library. There you would get an expert view of the books. When you do your video it might be useful to include the joins between pages in close up.<br /><br />I wish you all the best.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-27176111564430303472016-06-17T10:35:08.242+10:002016-06-17T10:35:08.242+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927761374028349378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-4496904998257081712016-06-17T07:15:02.582+10:002016-06-17T07:15:02.582+10:00Thanks Dianne, I agree and it does make you wonder...Thanks Dianne, I agree and it does make you wonder. But if these are false imprints as I suspect, and they were produced in a backyard print shop, then in days gone by that was a practice and it may have been done for profit. It's also possible that someone may see a dollar in doing that even in this day and age. On Abebooks in the past few weeks, a copy similar to the Dave copy was sold for $91 AUD. <br /><br />A good question as to why it would be this particular edition. I don't have an answer for that.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-8867942826893486972016-06-17T07:09:57.876+10:002016-06-17T07:09:57.876+10:00The above post describes the reason why I think th...The above post describes the reason why I think the pages where scanned. In fact you will see from this and other posts made on this blog and the tomsbytwo blog, I never referred to it as a hoax or a fake. I told everyone that I thought it was scanned and that there were issues with amongst other things the thread used in binding, way to rough a finish.<br /><br />Having said that I am now starting to think that it may be a 'hoax' or at least a thing known as a 'False Imprint' in other words a pirated copy or possibly two. Those who recall the Marshall case will know of the fact that whilst a supposed 7th edition of the book was found with the body Methuen, the publisher, never actually printed a seventh edition. Indeed when you examine the image of the preface on the Marshall book you will find reasonably clear issues with the font. Another seventh edition was found in recent years and it has the same problems.<br /><br />Now, back to Dave and his versions. Because they look to be grey scale images in both copies and because of the position of the crescent moon on the upper right final/Tamam Shud page plus the extremely poor book binding thread work, these are indicators of the likelihood of the hard back version being a false imprint. <br /><br />The question is, is that a bad thing? Not necessarily, because the SM copy of the SM book has also long been thought to have been a false imprint.<br /><br />What I suggest you do is to place a decent ruler alongside both books, width and height, and then photograph every page in both books. The reason for that is because there are some things that you should find printed in those copies and if they are missing or the font is in some way out of line, as some does seem to be in the pages presented thus far, then you more than likely have a false imprint which some would call a 'hoax' copy. <br /><br />Dave may have come across a source of false imprinted copies of the ROK, now that would be interesting. <br /><br />I look forward to seeing the results of your efforts Dave.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-14741301437717601422016-06-17T00:53:02.472+10:002016-06-17T00:53:02.472+10:00I think you might do well to ask the opinion of an...I think you might do well to ask the opinion of an old-time letter-press printer. It looks to me as if the font used for Dave's book is very similar, but not identical to the other two.<br /><br />For example, look at the third line - the space between the "G" and "u" of Guests. Also the distance between the crossbar and the bottom hook of the "t" looks to me a smidgen longer in Dave's version. Added to that, the stitching (of the quires) looks distinctly amateur in Dave's copy. Of course, for all I know such things may be produced by photo-shopp'ng a scan to make it seem like a different edition - but why bother? <br /><br />Why not just copy another of the hundreds of editions?Diane O'Donovanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07716717775283611146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-71891397110338032182016-06-16T19:13:49.896+10:002016-06-16T19:13:49.896+10:00A video of the book can be found here:
http://s...A video of the book can be found here: <br /><br /><br />http://speedy.sh/5XnFc/VID-20160616-200018.mp4 <br /><br /><br />And a second softcover book has now been located from another Polish refugee who is in his 80s. <br /><br /><br />Pictures of both book alongside each other are here: http://pho.to/ABfzd <br /><br /><br />Could you please explain to everyone as to why you think this is a hoax?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com