tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post4010493456797263190..comments2024-03-29T14:07:44.746+11:00Comments on ....CARL/CHARLES WEBB WAS NOT THE SOMERTON MAN....: SOMERTON MAN: TIBOR KALDOR, 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 ,ANOTHER CODE BREAKTHROUGHGordon332http://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-75328072563273758122018-06-21T07:29:23.738+10:002018-06-21T07:29:23.738+10:00Milongal, An answer of sorts to a question raised ...Milongal, An answer of sorts to a question raised as to why start at the second letter and not first. <br /><br />In Tibor's letter example it starts at the 4th word, but it used the first letters of each carrier word. We gave a fair bit of thought to that and whilst there are probably other reasons our thoughts are that given 'typical' acrostics start with the first letter of the first word in a line or a sentence, it would be an immediate red flag for the code hunter. We ended up with a numerical sequence of 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 which represented the positions of each carrier word in the piece.<br /><br />In the gold watch ad example, the word Tudor is the 4th word in that part of the sequence, two letters of that 4th word are effectively replaced by the second letter in the first word and the 3rd letter in the third word giving us the name of TIBOR. In this case we had the number sequence 1,2,3,4,5 all based on the positions of individual letters within words.<br /><br />Your verse 70 had more in common with the gold watch example in that the solution relates to the individual letter placement within words. However, and here's a difference just picked up this morning, whilst there is no logic to the 'flow' or direction of the words themselves there is a second sequence. If I can explain, in Tibor's letter the words start and are placed starting from the base of the lines, move immediately to the top and then work downwards which is a reversal. This does not occur in the Verse 70 example.<br /><br />However, in your Verse 70 example, Thread, Repentance, Hand, Indeed, Penitence, Then, Came. You were able to show how letters sat within words in a numerical sequence. But that's not all when you look at the word placements within each line, there is another numerical sequence:<br /><br />THREAD 6th word from the right, bottom line<br />REPENTANCE 3rd word from the left or right, top line<br />HAND 1st word from the right, 3rd line<br />INDEED 2nd word from the left, top line<br />PENITENCE 4th word from the left or the right, bottom line<br />THEN 7th word from the right, 3rd line<br />CAME 5th word from the left, 3rd line (counting the mini ampersand)<br /><br />The sequence is therefore 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7<br /><br />It seems we have 7 letters with a sequence, 7 words with a sequence and, of course, they're both in Verse 70 :)<br /><br />'checksum' comes to mind. <br /><br />I know this is to an extent complex but given, as I seriously believe, that this is a clandestine method of communication, great lengths were gone to in order to conceal messages which sometimes would contain extremely sensitive and high-value information.<br /><br />What are your thoughts?<br /><br /><br />Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-31677553817516374122018-06-19T16:54:36.937+10:002018-06-19T16:54:36.937+10:00For JS, Apologies for the delayed response, sorry ...For JS, Apologies for the delayed response, sorry to say that we must discontinue this discussion no time for the sideshow, too many important issues to follow up. I wish you all the best mate, take care of yourself mate and look out for those Zika carriers :)Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-67815173246681799662018-06-19T16:22:58.659+10:002018-06-19T16:22:58.659+10:00For Milongal. Had a read of your comment on Verse ...For Milongal. Had a read of your comment on Verse 70/Danetta issue. First off, I can see that you put some serious effort into it and I think that's admirable. Next, it may be that I did not explain the nature of the acrostic code found in the first paragraph Tibor's last letter as well as I could. So, in case I have fallen short in that area, here's the low down:<br /><br />The Acrostic code found in the first paragraph is a 'standard' format to a large degree. I should clarify that we have two main components to this acrostic code, one component is the 'carrier' word, i.e words that contain specific letters; the other component is the letter found in each 'carrier' word.<br /><br />Following the standard format, this particular acrostic code places the individual letters as the first letter of each 'carrier' word. For example, the first letter in the sequence for DANETTA is the letter D and it is the first letter in the word 'DECISION'. <br /><br />So what I have done is to use that information to find and then numerically locate each word that contains the rest of the letters in DANETTA.<br /><br />In your account and in comparison, we see that you allocated the numerical sequence such that the letters of the name DANETTA are matched to a word but the letters themselves fall inside the carrier words in a random fashion.<br /><br />I am not able to release any further information on this topic for the moment. Suffice it to say that both Clive and I have a great deal of confidence that what has been found is indeed a code and further that we are not far away from identifying who it was that taught Tibor Kaldor his skill.<br /><br />Thanks again for your input, I have always been impressed by your ability and your logical thinking.Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2649149095048346117.post-40036132876513125612018-06-16T16:13:27.242+10:002018-06-16T16:13:27.242+10:00For JS, I see that you're struggling with the ...For JS, I see that you're struggling with the code that we revealed here. John, and please don't be offended, you should remember the comments you made elsewhere about 'null' values and how a repeated letter wipes both letters out, well that applies to a different kind of code to this one. You see this one is an 'ACROSTIC' code, I know it's a big word and obviously a new concept for you but read what follows carefully and you can learn something new:<br /><br />"An acrostic is a poem (or other form of writing) in which the first letter (or syllable, or word) of each line (or paragraph, or other recurring feature in the text) spells out a word, message or the alphabet.[1] The word comes from the French acrostiche from post-classical Latin acrostichis, from Koine Greek ἀκροστιχίς, from Ancient Greek ἄκρος "highest, topmost" and στίχος "verse").[2] As a form of constrained writing, an acrostic can be used as a mnemonic device to aid memory retrieval."<br /><br />Are you getting it? Yes! It is based on letters and words and they all count, you don't discount or nullify any of them, that's actually the point of the method. Clever isn't it? <br />Where this acrostic differs just a little more is that it's a true 'clandestine' acrostic and one that follows the rules that were published in recent posts and in particular it has a 'reversed' element, that means it flows up the paragraph and back down again. It does appear, given the nature of this example that our man, Tibor Kaldor, was very probably under duress when he wrote it which makes it all the more remarkable. It also has a unique numeric association, 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 now that really is amazing. Rather like picking all seven numbers of the lottery; it was partially that aspect that led us on to the next major discovery, but more of that in a later post.<br /><br />Keep up the good work and keep learning. Oh! Nearly forgot, you keep managing from your end and we'll keep leading from ours. Cheers for now :)<br />Gordon332https://www.blogger.com/profile/17690592260936410432noreply@blogger.com